Full Power Bojack vs SSJ Broly (Movie 10)

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Full Power Bojack vs SSJ Broly (Movie 10)
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~~Cocoman~~	Jan 1 2012, 05:32 PM Post #46
Badabing! Posts: 1,913 Group: Suspended Member #5,983 Joined: April 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	Ninjajp247 Jan 1 2012, 08:40 AM Cocoman Aug 29 2011, 04:08 AM Kamikaze Pyro Aug 29 2011, 04:01 AM Ninjajp247 Aug 29 2011, 01:30 AM you can say he stomped whomever you want but you cant prove it. so dont state it as fact until you can. You are also skipping over the fact that the translation means his power was DEEPER than gokus, broly was born with the ability to expand his battle power at an awesome rate goku had to work for it, it doesnt AUTOMATICALLY make him stronger in the same form, never says that. The owner of power that surpasses gokus isnt that hard to understand, brolys power is natural, gokus is not. also meaning that what comes easy to goku comes easier to broly, so that means he can do various things better, like access ki faster, recharge his ki faster and longer. Bulk up his body to match his ki weighted strength. All thses things he HAD to do in order to beat goku, who actually sacrficed alot of his power to remain smaller and achieve mssj. You can fanslate all about gohan all you want. he wasnt ssj2 nor was he drawn that way, toriyama had already changed mssj gohans hairstyle by that time and they reflected the look in the movie by stealing it, like they always do, refer to movie 8 for same thing. The excerpt is pretty straight forward. I think you just don't like Broly being stronger than Goku in the same form because he never trained for the power like Goku did, which has pretty much been your argument in a lot of Broly topics. There's literally nothing to support Gohan being a normal Super Saiyan. The movie was made before Gohan's hairstyle change, and sketches prove Gohan was intended to be a Super Saiyan 2, as there are two forms depicted both in the movie and on the sketches. Exactly. He disregards evidence in favour of his own bull***. It's not the 1st time he has said this * in a Broly thread. no i dont like broly being stronger than anyone in the same form. And? i never took his power from him, he's just not as strong as people want to believe. what does that have to do with my argument? what does anything cocoman said have to do with this conversation? my own bull***? get real, This cartoon has been translated and refixed almost as much as the bible. There is NO evidence cocoman, just your opinion, having kp agree with you doesnt make you right. So come off it. On the other hand i have broly being stronger than goku because his power is deeper and probably has a well as deep as gohans. Not saying much. But goku not being as strong as he could have been is saying alot. Its also possible he wasnt as strong as he was in the main universe against cell thanks to the rosat. Assuming gohan wouldnt find ssj without the rosat is asinine. Bal just smothered you in Broly's juices for me. Case closed.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jan 1 2012, 07:37 PM Post #47
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Quote: =Balthazor,Jan 1 2012, 09:18 AM]A lot of Japanese DBZ experts and long time DBZ fans such as myself will gladly tell you your wrong Ninjap.Your argument or in this case "opinion" of Broly being weaker than Goku in each form is incredibly bias,with no evidence backing it up. i stopped right there already you have the wrong idea, and i wish u guys would stop acting like i said anything like that. Broly was weaker than goku until he transformed, otherwise i dont see ur point in defending the fact broly went Lssj just to beat him up when according to you he doesnt have to. claiming i have a biased opinion makes no sense just because im telling the truth. YOU guys let a book written by someone else's idea on expanding this universe. Only ONE guy got approval from AT for his work, thats herms. Otherwise what you say is moot. There isnt a person on this earth who didnt see what i saw, even the guys who wrote these books and had NOTHING to do with creating anything IN dbz. They watched the movies, and read the comics like everyone else, and so BECAUSE they wrote a book on it im supposed to BELIEVE their theories when i can judge for myself? no, doesnt work like that, LIFE doesnt work like that. I dont refer to guidebooks and hide behind "facts" when the facts are written by someone who had no hand in he creation of dbz. Broly is stronger than goku in movie 8 and 10 and i NEVER stated this to not be such, so for kp to cosign with you on this means that he's just as bias as youre claiming ME to be. You guys dont understand broly more than anyone else, and what ive said makes whole LOT of sense, in the meantime you guys are quoting books made by "others" and since hermes is the ONLY one who got in actual contact with AT and NOT toei, what he says has my respect cause he has actually DISCUSSED DBZ with A.T. Helped him expand his universe by coming up with fanslations and getting AT hip to the worldwide DBZ community. You havent established anything ABOUT the rosat. It wasnt mentioned in the movie and they didnt have cell in their world. No cell? no rosat. They didnt go in there to train for the androids. also claiming you have firsthand toei knowledge just makes me want to laugh at you, you talking in the first person like you made the decisions is strange to me. Gohan wasnt ssj2 officially, its unofficial as nothing official has been released on the matter. Ill believe it when i read it, a statement FROM toei about what you just said, and since you cant? its useless trying to convince me u r right. everything else you are saying is just specualtion you believe you have grounds to believe, Because you were told to. I can figure out dbz by myself, i can read for myself, i can watch it by myself and dont need to ask what happened. you know why? because all the answers are already there. exactly how much research can actually be done describing things in dbz in universe without A.t.'s input? exactly what toei did was produce a cartoon and make money...thats what they do. Quote: "The Daiz is canon to the movies so it is a reliable source and can be used as proof to back up Movie arguments,ignoring valid source and information is bias as I said and it's also ignorant and some people then have a right to call you a troll" this in itself is ridiculous to even read, youve present NO facts, all you have done is spout some unprovable nonsense and then try to tell me its real. seriously? the only thing going on here is drinking the kool aid. The daiz is a COMPANION BOOK, ALL companion books are inherent to contradictions and issues, EVEN IF THEY ARE WRITTEN BY THE SAME PERSON!!, dont believe me? HERES PROOF, ALL of the OFFICIAL buffy the vamp slayer caompanion books were written by chris pond, so WHY is it so many other companion books have been released? and not even chris could keep up with the exact details of the show, and this was his JOB!!, so dont stand up there and feel self righteous and confident you even said anything let alone have me respond. ALL of the dbz books contradict one another. TOEI and atari created the dbz games, fuly sanctiuoned and yet all i hear from guys like you and KP? is that its all filler and non cannon. prove it, toei made the game? they make the rules. They can put in whatever filler they want and have it be true, so then...why fight it? lets keep it real gentlemen, you in FACT dont have a leg to stand on, and cant even prove THAT!! [/quote] Edited by Paikuan extreme, Jan 1 2012, 08:25 PM.



MysticGotenks	Jan 1 2012, 11:32 PM Post #48
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Broly has this imo.
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Balthazor	Jan 2 2012, 06:38 AM Post #49
I'm damn serious Posts: 1,762 Group: Member Member #3,096 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh , Pokemon What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh ,Naruto	@Ninja LOL I'm sorry but I can't take your post seriously at all.Daiz IS the official source for movies,you're blinded by your hate towards Broly that it's clouded your judgement.Toeis world and the magna world can be two separate things,which seems much more plausible to think since Gohan is weaker than post rosat Goku which is not the case. Okay ninja,when and where did Gohan achieve the SSJ form?please answer this question will you? Goku sensed RSSJ Broly and he doubted that he could beat him,RSSJ Broly>MSSJ Goku. I already beat you,KP and coco probably already did so too.And behalf of both of them and myself and the rest of the people who have kept their facts strait, I'm just gonna go right ahead and call you a idiot.KP already made a good point about your argument being piss weak,and there's nothing about them that holds anything,all you've shown us is your hate towards Broly. You're nerfage of Broly amazes me.He's above movie 10 SSJ2 Gohan who is even stronger than his kid self,which is implied in the movie also that Gohan got stronger.
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~~Cocoman~~	Jan 2 2012, 04:12 PM Post #50
Badabing! Posts: 1,913 Group: Suspended Member #5,983 Joined: April 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	Ninja is just mad that he was touched by Broly as a child.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 2 2012, 06:32 PM Post #51
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	If you think someone's being an ignorant, then report him. You guys don't have to personally attack him. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 2 2012, 07:17 PM.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jan 2 2012, 06:44 PM Post #52
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Thats fine with me, just as long as their OPINIONS keep to themselves ( or stay corny) whatever works. As far as the daiz being official? im not buying it. hermes book is the only book that gets respect from me, and thats because he cared enuff to talk with AT and explore his mind on DBZ period, so take your seg and all your other non official crap and put it with the fake buffy companion books. The only reason you WONT take it serious is because u believe what you are saying makes sense. It doesnt. The movie daiz's mean about as much to the REAL DBZ as ultimate spiderman does to REAL spiderman/marvel fans. Get real. Just because you paid for it doesnt mean its true, but since you arent willing to prove yourself more than call names? then its official, this debate is over. Until next time kids... those "books" were made for trading cards. And like i said, toei created the cartoon/video games, so why dont you just FOLLOW the story and believe what youre told? If IM not a fan for not believing the daiz then you are even LESS because you would rather follow another opinion instead of your own. Ive watched DBZ i dont need the seg telling me that broly is stronger WITHOUT a legitimate explanation, and as of yet you have COMPLETELY FAILED to give your OWn explanation. COCOMAN: really? so broly touched ME as a kid? sounds like that interests you... Im convinced now you guys arent on the level, calling what i do broly hate instead of being logical just means you are one of those guys who would put broly above ssj4 goku, because "he can beat 3 super saiyans at ONE time"!!!!



+ Pyrus	Jan 2 2012, 07:18 PM Post #53
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I'll reiterate some things. 1) The Saiyans are post-RoSaT. It's clear as day. That's how they were drawn, and that's how they were perceived in Toei's mind. There isn't a logical theory on how Gohan was somehow a Super Saiyan with Piccolo's clothes (that he only got post-RoSaT canonically) without having gone through the RoSaT. 2) Gohan isn't necessarily weaker than Goku. The movie came out before the revelation of Gohan's actual power, so it's possible Toei might not have known. Kaio tells Goku that Broly (RSSjin) could be stronger than "them", which begs the question of why he would say "them" instead of just Goku if Goku were the strongest; this works as an in-universe theory. Besides all that, feats are inconsistent in the movie. Trunks does better than Vegeta, but does anybody ever seriously claim Trunks is stronger than Vegeta in the movie? I haven't seen it. Gohan being two-shotted while Goku lasts longer isn't sufficient evidence for Gohan being weaker. 3) RSSjin Broly is stated by Kaio to possibly be stronger than Goku and the gang. When Goku teleports to a busted star, he admits that Kaio might be right about Broly's power. We know it's RSSjin because Broly wasn't allowed to go past that form until the big fight due to Paragus' mind control device, which didn't malfunction until Goku arrived on New Planet Vegeta. 4) Obviously LSSjin Broly is mountains ahead of Goku and company. To argue Goku wasn't fully powered up or was holding back to test his limits or whatever is pure bull***, plain and simple. That's the weakest and most biased argument I've ever seen to keep Goku ahead of someone that's clearly his superior, and by a longshot at least. 5) Throwing out Daizenshuu #6 on the sole principle that it's a guidebook is ridiculous and laughable. Going even further and saying that it's because it's "fan made" is even more ludicrous, and from this point on, it's grounds for a warning (aka, I don't want to see anybody spouting that crap) because if one actually did some research, they'd quickly find that it isn't "fan made". The guidebooks have errors in them, just like any other book in the world, but that doesn't invalidate them. You know what people most commonly cite as erroneous in them? Battle powers. And you know how many pages those battle powers take up out of the seven volumes consisting of at least 1,000 pages combined? About eight. Disregarding an entire book series because of a few mistakes throughout eight pages of 1,000+ is madness. The guidebooks are the only thing we have, aside from a few select interviews from Toriyama, that provide information or clarity on things that are vague in the manga, anime, or movies. If something from the guidebooks doesn't line up with something from the manga, then take the manga's opinion over the guidebook. But if something from the guidebooks does not contradict something from the manga, then it's perfectly reasonable to accept that. Take M10's D6 entry for instance, which states that SSjin Broly has power surpassing SSjin Goku. Does that contradict anything we've been told or shown in the movies? Not one bit. In fact, it backs up SSjin Broly being even stronger than SSjin Goku from M8; Goku trained over the years and Broly got a zenkai (also stated in D6 and his character sketches), so things stayed how they were. There's no problem with that train of logic. 6) I don't even see the legitimacy in the theory that Broly shouldn't be stronger than Goku because he never trained to get that power. Who cares? Nobody has a problem with Freeza being hundreds of times more powerful than everybody for a third of the series, or Cell absorbing people to get their power, or Pure Boo going toe-to-toe with SSjin 3 Goku in melee despite never being stated to train for that level of skill or power. Gero and his androids/cyborgs were more powerful than Super Saiyans that trained for years, and I know people complain about this one a bit, but I've never seen anybody go out of their way trying to prove that the Super Saiyans were really stronger and just didn't win "because". It's an unfounded theory. Who cares if Broly never trained to get that powerful? It's explained in the movie that he was born with a battle power of 10,000 and was a freak of nature, so him gaining strength at a preposterous rate is nothing new considering that. Is he undeserving of his power? Sure, that's your opinion, but it doesn't somehow disprove that he has that power. 7) The punch at the end of M8 was a "miracle punch" according to M8's D6 entry. Even without that, it's pretty clear that it wasn't a normal punch. Have we ever seen a combination of powers like that as simple addition? It wasn't like that when Piccolo took Gohan and Krillin's Ki to hold off Freeza, or when Goku took Piccolo's Ki against Lord Slug, so why should it be simple addition when it comes to Broly? That doesn't make sense anyway. Four half-dead Base Saiyans and a half-dead Super Namekian would be lucky to amount to 10% of SSjin Goku's power, let alone double or that which would be necessary to topple Broly. Using the punch as evidence that Broly is uber weak is like saying Freeza was uber weak or Lord Slug was uber weak at the time. It doesn't work. Okay, I think I got what I needed to say out. Edited by Pyrus**, Jan 2 2012, 07:26 PM.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jan 2 2012, 07:29 PM Post #54
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	who SAID broly was weak? and just vecause his rssj was validated doesnt mean he didnt need Lssj to clean up. He clearly did. disregarding the (guide) books for a few reason is why i do it. But battle powers and drawings seem to be the most inconsistent and since i only care about the art work? its a no brainer. You gys disregard the games and they were CLEARLY created by DBZ creators. So if youre going to use any source? USE THEM ALL!! even the filler toei put in, its ALL official now. My beginning thoughts have no bearing on my thoughts now, alot of what you just said is stuff i havent mentioned in months. what you said ive already stated, but there is no need t odefend broly when he clearly needed Lssj despite daiz 6 attempt to clean that up. Broly can HAVE the zenaki, doesnt mean it puts him up a whole form over the z fighters, for his ssj to be tougher than gokus only makes sense because of the zenkai, there is no other reason, but thats all BESIDES the fact broly clearly died and then they made a sequel, but since it took so long? Just about ALL of the z fighters would SMASH him. period. So they gave him a saiyan near death power up, go figure since now they make it seem like he never died. you telling me the daiz 6 cant give a good reason to brolys FULL power up against a gohan that could barely move him in (supposed) ssj2 and yet we all know SPC and broly would be a good fight? So, with kid gohan almost at full power he could barely move a broly not that much stronger? the movie ITSELF is biased towards broly making the challenge even more so, but this time have it look even more implausible by having two kids and a ghost kill him? cmon now, if the daiz called that movie 8 punch a miracle? then there really is NO reason to accept what else it says. Sorry man, you might think its the bee knees, but im calling bull*** . Im gonna go as far as saying broly has no measuring stick, but its easy to figure out WHO could kill him and who couldnt. There would have been no need for an Lssj if broly didnt need it to defeat any of them let alone ALL of them. The power up put goku firmly in brolys range, not to mention he could have gotten his OWN zenkai from his beat down and senzu resurrection, but thats never mentioned is it? NOPE!! Edited by Paikuan extreme**, Jan 2 2012, 07:33 PM.



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